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	<description>Dominating Both the Off &#038; Online Worlds of Marketing</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Social Bookmark Links that are Worth Building and Pass PageRank by Candy</title>
		<link>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-481</link>
		<author>Candy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-481</guid>
		<description>I had a weird experience with social bookmarking that I'd like to share... I had someone do 100 bookmarks for me for one of my sites not really knowing what it was, and I gave him my homepage to bookmark (mistake?) 

Well interestingly enough about 3 weeks after I had these bookmarks done I appeared on the first page of google results for my keyword for about 3 days, then i dropped again to page 4. 

I checked in webmaster tools though and I did get a decent amount of one-way links from this, but I'm hesitant to try this tactic again.c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a weird experience with social bookmarking that I&#8217;d like to share&#8230; I had someone do 100 bookmarks for me for one of my sites not really knowing what it was, and I gave him my homepage to bookmark (mistake?) </p>
<p>Well interestingly enough about 3 weeks after I had these bookmarks done I appeared on the first page of google results for my keyword for about 3 days, then i dropped again to page 4. </p>
<p>I checked in webmaster tools though and I did get a decent amount of one-way links from this, but I&#8217;m hesitant to try this tactic again.c</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social Bookmark Links that are Worth Building and Pass PageRank by Jack Spirko</title>
		<link>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-477</link>
		<author>Jack Spirko</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-477</guid>
		<description>JumpTags has been removed from the list and I added HatedOrLove.com in its' place.  Pure coincidence but it scored the same score at least for now as it is a brand new site.

JumpTags made a mistake in my opinion by adding nofollow, people that contribute good content should at least get a decent link out of the deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JumpTags has been removed from the list and I added HatedOrLove.com in its&#8217; place.  Pure coincidence but it scored the same score at least for now as it is a brand new site.</p>
<p>JumpTags made a mistake in my opinion by adding nofollow, people that contribute good content should at least get a decent link out of the deal.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social Bookmark Links that are Worth Building and Pass PageRank by SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-476</link>
		<author>SEO</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-476</guid>
		<description>This is quite special - it's succinct, helpful, unique, well worded and nobody else I know has supplied a list like this. Well done! I'm going to test it out this weekend. Whatever the outcome, thanks for going to all this trouble!

Ray Baker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite special - it&#8217;s succinct, helpful, unique, well worded and nobody else I know has supplied a list like this. Well done! I&#8217;m going to test it out this weekend. Whatever the outcome, thanks for going to all this trouble!</p>
<p>Ray Baker</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Google&#8217;s Link Based Search Algorithms are Here to Stay by Candy</title>
		<link>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/google-link-based-algorithms#comment-474</link>
		<author>Candy</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/google-link-based-algorithms#comment-474</guid>
		<description>I think using link anchor text is a good way for Google to score a particular website, but this method is far too easy to manipulate and I am constantly finding unrelated, spammy looking sites in Google's search results. 

I absolutely agree that for a page to rank for a particular term, that term MUST be on the page, and it's ranking cannot solely be determined by the number of inbound links it has with that anchor text. 

What still amazes me on a daily basis is the number of websites who rank in the top 3 positions and have nothing but spam backlinks. You find a site that's #1 for a particular term, and when you analyze their backlinks using Yahoo's site explorer or a similar tool you find that all of their backlinks are on spam blogs or directories. 

I'm surprised Google still doesn't have this under control... despite everything they say they're going to do to clean up search results I've seen little improvement... so far. But, I have faith in Google and strongly believe they will clear up matters like this over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think using link anchor text is a good way for Google to score a particular website, but this method is far too easy to manipulate and I am constantly finding unrelated, spammy looking sites in Google&#8217;s search results. </p>
<p>I absolutely agree that for a page to rank for a particular term, that term MUST be on the page, and it&#8217;s ranking cannot solely be determined by the number of inbound links it has with that anchor text. </p>
<p>What still amazes me on a daily basis is the number of websites who rank in the top 3 positions and have nothing but spam backlinks. You find a site that&#8217;s #1 for a particular term, and when you analyze their backlinks using Yahoo&#8217;s site explorer or a similar tool you find that all of their backlinks are on spam blogs or directories. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised Google still doesn&#8217;t have this under control&#8230; despite everything they say they&#8217;re going to do to clean up search results I&#8217;ve seen little improvement&#8230; so far. But, I have faith in Google and strongly believe they will clear up matters like this over time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social Bookmark Links that are Worth Building and Pass PageRank by Robert Giordano</title>
		<link>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-469</link>
		<author>Robert Giordano</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 21:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-469</guid>
		<description>@pitumbo

We've enabled new signups again at Linkatopia. We have a new form that hopefully discourages people from creating 10 different accounts in 10 minutes.

@Larry and Jack

If you look closer, you'll find that only NEW MEMBERS HAVE NOFOLLOW on their links. My account doesn't and none of the "approved" members do. New accounts have them by default, then we look at their public links after a month and approve accounts that aren't spam. NOTE that you can save whatever links you want if you make them *private* because then they're encrypted and we can't look at them anyway! 

@all

Here's what we DON'T WANT at Linkatopia:
1) People from India, Philippines, and elsewhere creating hundreds of accounts with the same spam links. We've found pages where people are charging money to "submit your links to 50 social bookmarking sites for only..." and 9 times out of 10 they were located in one of those two regions.
2) People who create an account and put 100 links to the same site (theirs) and never use Linkatopia again for anything else.
3) People (99.9% of the time spammers) who use OnlyWire.com or similar services to simultaneously send their spam links to as many different bookmarking sites as possible. For this reason we've blocked OnlyWire and other such sites. I cannot think of a legitimate reason why a person would have an account on 15 different social bookmarking sites other than to spam them. 

On our site, we even RECOMMEND promoting your own pages by making your own links the first ones you bookmark. We recommend using the tag "About me" so other members can quickly see which links are yours! We're just tired of people trying to take advantage of the system. Because of this, we had to disable new signups while we created a whole suite of tools to analyze the incoming user data and filter out those who are up to no good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pitumbo</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve enabled new signups again at Linkatopia. We have a new form that hopefully discourages people from creating 10 different accounts in 10 minutes.</p>
<p>@Larry and Jack</p>
<p>If you look closer, you&#8217;ll find that only NEW MEMBERS HAVE NOFOLLOW on their links. My account doesn&#8217;t and none of the &#8220;approved&#8221; members do. New accounts have them by default, then we look at their public links after a month and approve accounts that aren&#8217;t spam. NOTE that you can save whatever links you want if you make them *private* because then they&#8217;re encrypted and we can&#8217;t look at them anyway! </p>
<p>@all</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what we DON&#8217;T WANT at Linkatopia:<br />
1) People from India, Philippines, and elsewhere creating hundreds of accounts with the same spam links. We&#8217;ve found pages where people are charging money to &#8220;submit your links to 50 social bookmarking sites for only&#8230;&#8221; and 9 times out of 10 they were located in one of those two regions.<br />
2) People who create an account and put 100 links to the same site (theirs) and never use Linkatopia again for anything else.<br />
3) People (99.9% of the time spammers) who use OnlyWire.com or similar services to simultaneously send their spam links to as many different bookmarking sites as possible. For this reason we&#8217;ve blocked OnlyWire and other such sites. I cannot think of a legitimate reason why a person would have an account on 15 different social bookmarking sites other than to spam them. </p>
<p>On our site, we even RECOMMEND promoting your own pages by making your own links the first ones you bookmark. We recommend using the tag &#8220;About me&#8221; so other members can quickly see which links are yours! We&#8217;re just tired of people trying to take advantage of the system. Because of this, we had to disable new signups while we created a whole suite of tools to analyze the incoming user data and filter out those who are up to no good.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social Bookmark Links that are Worth Building and Pass PageRank by Jack Spirko</title>
		<link>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-462</link>
		<author>Jack Spirko</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-462</guid>
		<description>@bragn,

Perhaps you should read this post,

http://www.businessindallas.com/social-media/what-i-have-learned-about-social-media-from-mixx

Don't be shocked as Linkatopia declines in popularity and sites like Mixx grow and thrive.  I honestly think that nofollowing, redirection, etc is a great way to ruin a social website.  Sure people want valid links, that does not make what they submit spam.  Links have value and you know what when users submit their content to your site they contribute value to it, getting something back is not to much to ask.

@Larry,

Both of those sites added nofollow AFTER I put this list together, this is why I said in my post.

"These results are based on how things are as of March 4th 2008, they could change tomorrow."

Indeed they have.  

@all

Again I must say if you want lots of content and you are building a social site no one will help you as much as the SEO community.  When we submit content simply let it be judged for what it is, judge the content, not the intent.  This online hate crime legislation is simply pointless and stupid, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bragn,</p>
<p>Perhaps you should read this post,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessindallas.com/social-media/what-i-have-learned-about-social-media-from-mixx" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessindallas.com/social-media/what-i-have-learned-about-social-media-from-mixx</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be shocked as Linkatopia declines in popularity and sites like Mixx grow and thrive.  I honestly think that nofollowing, redirection, etc is a great way to ruin a social website.  Sure people want valid links, that does not make what they submit spam.  Links have value and you know what when users submit their content to your site they contribute value to it, getting something back is not to much to ask.</p>
<p>@Larry,</p>
<p>Both of those sites added AFTER I put this list together, this is why I said in my post.</p>
<p>&#8220;These results are based on how things are as of March 4th 2008, they could change tomorrow.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed they have.  </p>
<p>@all</p>
<p>Again I must say if you want lots of content and you are building a social site no one will help you as much as the SEO community.  When we submit content simply let it be judged for what it is, judge the content, not the intent.  This online hate crime legislation is simply pointless and stupid, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social Bookmark Links that are Worth Building and Pass PageRank by Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-454</link>
		<author>Larry</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-454</guid>
		<description>Not all of the sites on the list not using nofollow, at least these sites :

http://www.jumptags.com/
thttp://www.linkatopia.com/

 they're both using nofollow.
Thanks for the list though, great effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all of the sites on the list not using nofollow, at least these sites :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jumptags.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jumptags.com/</a><br />
<a href="thttp://www.linkatopia.com/" rel="nofollow">thttp://www.linkatopia.com/</a></p>
<p> they&#8217;re both using.<br />
Thanks for the list though, great effort.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social Bookmark Links that are Worth Building and Pass PageRank by bragn</title>
		<link>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-450</link>
		<author>bragn</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/social-bookmark-links-that-are-worth-building-and-pass-pagerank#comment-450</guid>
		<description>linktopia doesn't have dofollow links no more :( From their "sign up" page:

Search Engine Optimization? Go Somewhere Else!

If you're here to boost your search engine rankings, you may not realize it but you're a link spammer! We've added rel="nofollow" to all new links so spamming Linkatopia with your links will NOT help your rankings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>linktopia doesn&#8217;t have dofollow links no more <img src='http://www.businessindallas.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> From their &#8220;sign up&#8221; page:</p>
<p>Search Engine Optimization? Go Somewhere Else!</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re here to boost your search engine rankings, you may not realize it but you&#8217;re a link spammer! We&#8217;ve added rel=&#8221;nofollow&#8221; to all new links so spamming Linkatopia with your links will NOT help your rankings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What I Have Learned About Social Media from Mixx by July Bucks</title>
		<link>http://www.businessindallas.com/social-media/what-i-have-learned-about-social-media-from-mixx#comment-440</link>
		<author>July Bucks</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.businessindallas.com/social-media/what-i-have-learned-about-social-media-from-mixx#comment-440</guid>
		<description>Mixx is really welcoming. I just started to use social networks for finding friends in my niche. I registered on Mixx, Digg, Reddit and Propeller but I'm using only Mixx and Digg at the moment. Mixx is great because of lots of communities, available options and interesting content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mixx is really welcoming. I just started to use social networks for finding friends in my niche. I registered on Mixx, Digg, Reddit and Propeller but I&#8217;m using only Mixx and Digg at the moment. Mixx is great because of lots of communities, available options and interesting content.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SEO&#8217;s to Google - We&#8217;re Your Best Friends, Stop Treating Us Like Enemies by Seattle Web Design</title>
		<link>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/a-letter-to-google#comment-439</link>
		<author>Seattle Web Design</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.businessindallas.com/search-marketing/a-letter-to-google#comment-439</guid>
		<description>RockStar,

You took the words right out of my mouth. Google needs to put up effort to weed out the spammers, the mass directory link buyers, the keyword stuffers, the blackhaters. I think Google should start offering a SEOer of the month award. Give credit to a true SEOer that values what people are searching for, trying to take there clients web page and put it in front of the proper people. 

What ever happened to the "Help us, Help You" view?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RockStar,</p>
<p>You took the words right out of my mouth. Google needs to put up effort to weed out the spammers, the mass directory link buyers, the keyword stuffers, the blackhaters. I think Google should start offering a SEOer of the month award. Give credit to a true SEOer that values what people are searching for, trying to take there clients web page and put it in front of the proper people. </p>
<p>What ever happened to the &#8220;Help us, Help You&#8221; view?</p>
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